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Mark Jones's avatar

Thanks, George. Can you maybe address the 'sins of the father' question? I want someone to ask the IDF or the Israeli cabinet whether a baby on an incubator in Gaza deserves to die because of the terrible things his or her father (or brother) did. I'd expect them to say Hamas put that baby in danger – it's up to them to make them safe. But it's the absence of the slightest expression of human sympathy for innocent Gaza lives that's so depressing.

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Guy Wilkinson's avatar

Thanks George, for this which I largely agree with. The important thin, I think is first to make sure that the evil of Hamas and their deeds and those who stand behind them is uneqivocally condemned as evil without any temporising references to history, context, other suffering or any other 'whataboutery'. Other evils can and must be condemned on their own terms, but relativising one evil against another is to avoid truth telling.

The key question which is so difficult, is how can Israel - and we in our minds and words - separate Palestinian people - in Gaza in this case - from Hamas. I listen to the stories of Gazan families suffering and who could not empathise. But how are Hamas to be punished, ejected or defeated without wholesale suffering of ordinary Gazan families. I have no answer other than looking to examples of people rising up against what is being done in their name - in Iran at present or the Confessing Church in Hitler's Germany in the past. All such involve very great suffering and nothing of what many would call victory.

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